Idle Chat

This is just a conversation I had with someone in chat one day. It is edited for the names and maybe for typos and that's all. The guy couldn't come up with any real answers once we took God away. It was an interesting interchange, and that is why I was compelled to post it.

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a)hey

b>hi there
b>oh no dont get grounded!

a)grounded?
a)oh, in trouble?


b>yes

a)oh well
a)just wanted to know if you were doing ok in math

b>i dunno, we'll see after this next test
b>i think its on monday not sure

a)tell me how you did
a)or what you had trouble with
a)just drop me a message

b>have a good night

a)vote McCain if you value your country

b>no way dude
b>obama
b>we need change

a)be careful what you ask for
a)change to socialism is still a change, but not good

b>why is it socialism?
b>what exactly is socialist about his policies?
b>thats such a huge misconception
b>you watch too much fox news

a)take your wealth and distribute it to others, which he came out and said

b>no that isn't what he said

a)nah, heard it from his own lips

b>thats what mccain SAID he said
b>no he did not!

a)no, it was from his lips

b>show me
b>thats ridiculous

a)I heard the audio

b>in that commercial he aired the other night he even said, no, this isnt about taking your b>paycheck and giving it to someone else
b>he said its about giving tax breaks to the middle class and companies that can use it
b>not to wealthy corporations and people who already have money
b>i dont see anything wrong with that

a)who are the ones that create the jobs?
a)the rich or the poor?

b>mccains policies are built to keep the wealthiest 1% of the country wealthy, and unless your in b>that 1 percent it doesnt apply to you, so why does everyone think his plans are so great?

a)if you tax a company, they have less money to pay in salary

b>they (mccains policies) wont apply to you... unless you make like over 500 grand a year
b>he didn't say anything about taxing companies
b>he wants to give tax credits to businesses that deserve and need it
b>like small businesses and businesses that have workers in the USA

a)oh, I thought you just said no tax breaks...misread you
a)chat debates are tough

b>but a huge ass company like an oil company thats making record profits while we're paying 5$ b>a gallon?
b>nah they dont need any tax breaks fuck that
b>what is socialism? im going to define it

a)if the gov't cut the federal excise tax, gas would be less
a)I would like that tax break

b>1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

b>2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.

b>3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

a)my, what a great vocabulary you have
a)oh wait, Red Riding Hood said that

b>so, what do you call it when the govt gives 800 billion to banks to bail them out? isnt that kind b>of like wealth redistribution? cuz really, its taking the taxes of our nation and GIVING IT b>AWAY to banks
b>isnt that kind of similar to socialism?

a)I disagree with the bailout
a)I think it was a knee jerk reaction

b>they knew what they were doing

a)I do, however, disagree also with

b>they were like, fuck mccain might lose, we better get one more big ass govt bailout through b>before the election

a)a guy who is pro abortion
a)severely anti-gun

b>whose pro abortion?
b>nobody is pro abortion

a)will not defend america
a)your candidate

b>i dont think theres a person on earth that is pro abortion

a)lol

b>there is a difference between pro choice and pro abortion

a)not really
a)you'd be surprised

b>pro choice simply says a woman and nobody else should be able to decide what to do with her b>life
b>pro abortion means you are in favor of killing babies, and i dont think anyone really is

a)the point is, obama will not protect the unborn

b>he shouldnt!
b>its not his place to!
b>its the womans choice!

a)he said he would not want his daughters "punished" with a baby if she made a mistake

b>so i bet you say yuo think government intervention should be lessened, right? overall, keeping the government from putting up too much red tape and stepping on peoples toes right?

a)thats exactly right
a)yes

b>you think its healthy for a young girl to be forced to have a baby?
b>one that she cannot take care of, and if she does have, may end up resenting and neglecting?
b>forced? thats not the govt intervening in a citizens personal choice?

a) it's called responsibility

b>only for that child to grow up fucked up?

a)there are many waiting to adopt
a)it's still comes down to killing

b>yeah and in a perfect world alot of young people dont and cannot take on that responsibility
b>they should not be asked to or forced to
b>or guilted into doing it

a)there are better ways

b>or coerced

a)that what abstinence is about
a)did I spell that right?

b>did you know alot of babies and children that are adopted are victims of abuse?
b>yeah abstinence is unrealistic
b>abstinence is about as real as pink unicorns
b>look at the world around you

a)not really
a)it is a goal

b>we are raised in a society of sex, so why are we surprised when young kids start having sex?

a)I can't disagree with you on that

b>we should be educating them

a)on why not to do it before marriage

b>on how to be safe and on how to not get pregnant
b>so they can safely experiment
b>and not get hurt
b>because they are going to do it anyway
b>i'd rather have them be smart about it than be dumb

a)the abuse argument is a red herring also....abuse happens in families with or without adoption
a)adopted children are also loved greatly

b>and by educating them, hell look at that, abortions dropped because young kids were smart b>enough to use protection and birth control

a)got you riled up, didn't I?

b>to tell them not to do it until mairrage is just unrealistic; it doesnt work statistically and wont b>work in our society ever
b>these are issues i feel strongly about, yes

a)that is a sad conclusion about our society

b>but just because its sad doesnt mean its not reality

a)but I can still like you even if I disagree
a)and a reality that is worth changing

b>its reality so instead of trying to think of a way to prevent it we should embrace it, educate, b>and do our best to prevent these things

a)noo, change it for the better
a)I'd love to talk all night, but I have to go cling to my guns in the morning at the range

b>as long as people believe in abstinence, young kids will get amorous and mistakes will happen

a)my goal is to reduce abortions
a)deep breath

b>so dont you think it would be best to do so by telling kids how to prevent them in the first b>place?
b>with educating them and teaching them how to protect themselves?
b>because by telling them not to have sex, it will never work

a)I think it best to tell them the reasons to not have sex before marriage first, while at the same time educating them on how to think properly about it
a)never? but it has many times

b>what reasons are there to not have sex before mairrage?
b>because why?

a)you have to ask that?

b>because god said so?
b>yes, i really do

a)that is the first one

b>theres where your argument fails
b>take the god equation out of it

a)lol

b>and you are left with nothing

a)that is not possible

b>but i just did it

a)no, that is not true

b>okay, another reason
b>why cant or shouldnt people have sex? before marriage...

a)the fool says in his heart there is no god

b>sex is an enjoyable acitivty that people should enjoy
b>why?
b>why does it have to be before mairrage

a)yes, in the framework of a marriage

b>nonsense; its religious rhetoric, thats the only reason, take out the religion and there's no b>reason for it

a)sex is more than a physical act of the senses
a)not at all

b>sex can be both
b>it can be just physical, and it can be emotional

a)oh, don't read me wrong...I love it, too

b>sex is alot of things, but why is it not okay to know this before mairrage?

a)those are different conditions now
a)sex forms a bond, at least if used in the right context

b>in all actuality, people with a wide range of sexual variety probably have an entire different b>view of sex than people who have been with each other since mairrage and no one else

a)otherwise it is selfish lust

b>whats wrong with that?
b>thats part of sex

a)selfish lust? everything

b>oh wait, its a religious thing right?

a)not really
a)lol
a)I don't have to be selfish to give my wife great sex

b>so wait, your saying i cant be emotionally connected to someone im having sex with unless im b>married?
b>but have you ever had selfish lustful sex?

a)no, that's not what I said
a)yes, before I knew better

b>its pleasurable to, just as pleasurable as emotional sex that expresses love

a)no doubt

b>so whats wrong with that

a)but not enduring

b>sex is many things, it doesnt mean its bad

a)selfishness is not loving
a)I don't think sex itself is bad

b>so you cant be selfish and loving at the same time?
b>you cant love your wife but really just wanna fuck her brains out even if you know she isnt all b>that into it?

a)selfishness and loving are opposite thoughts

b>i disagree

a)oh yes, I can do that

b>and thats why sex is such a beautiful thing
b>then you are contradicting yourself
b>how can you do that, if being selfish is not loving?

a)because in our marriage, we come together and give each other what we want....that came out clumsy

b>im sorry to be a pest

a)lol
a)you're not!

b>so i couldnt do the same thing with someone im not married to?

a)I can handle a hot discussion
a)before I answer that, there are assumptions behind that idea that need to be explored

b>so somehow mairrage allows me to experience sex in a way i couldn't otherwise experience it? b>meh, i disagree

a)and oh how I would love to, but I didn't mean for this to go on so long

b>ok, sure no prob

a)it's not the marriage, but the loving long term commitment
a)I'm trying to get at something deeper

b>but wait, cant i have that without mairrage?

a)but anyway

b>why do i have to be married to have that?

a)there is something about that I am at a loss to explain right now

b>i've been in a loving long term relationship before, and i've been in short relationships as well
b>haha, ok.

a)sorry

b>not a problem

a)chat debates are not easy
a)oh no, I chatted with another beautiful woman about sex!

b>uh oh
b>i dont think it would be any easier if it werent in chat
b>well go then before you get in trouble

a)it is, cause voice inflections come in, along with tone of voice

b>and how would any of that have answered the questions i put to you?

a)any discussion is easier to understand in person
a)not answered, but helped me understand your emotions/expressions/etc

b>i could go on forever too.

a)me too
a)but, alas, I cannot
a)but I do thank you for the discussion

b>np

a)hugs
a)still, let me know about your math

b>ok, sure
b>im sure ill seeya around again

a)leave me a message...it's easier
a)well, gtg

b>nite

a)later sweetie